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(12-27-2018, 01:57 AM)DaSpanishPotato Wrote: I would rather see another coaster. As for where they could send the animals, the Hogel Zoo would probably take them, or Zootah, in Logan.
Hogle Zoo is a Member of the AZA. They do not accept animals from facilities that are not an AZA Member and do not participate in their illegal trade of wild and exotic animals known as their "Species Survival Plan." Hogle Zoo is also an extremely bitter organization when it comes to Lagoon. I can safely say that you have absolutely no clue as to what goes into the care and housing of Lagoon's animals. Not just any facility can care for White Tigers, Siberian Tigers, Cougars, Black Leopards, Binturongs, etc.
(12-27-2018, 03:22 PM)A00967505 Wrote: I think most of the rides could use better queue lines at least of the 42 that I am able to go on without paying extra. Here are my suggestions on what I think they could do. this is if they don't move any of them or remove them which they probably will move or remove some of them.

1.Merry go round: I think they should extend the line around the ride further to the first pole clockwise from the exit.I also think they could have bigger people stand when there aren't enough seats and also put people together on the ones that hold more than one person.

2. Roller Coaster: they could extend the line into the area between the lift hill and the loading station. I also think they should move the lockers to the north and put a single rider line there.

3. Wild Mouse. I think they should put another line parallel to the current line so there could be separate lines for each car. I also think they could turn the exit so it goes to the north then turns west and put a single rider line where the exit is right now and also put some lockers on the north side of the ride near the entrance.

4. Cliffhanger: I think they should add an extension to the line on the south side of the ride.

5. Spider: I think they should extend the line to the big spider and have the line curve so it borders the Cliffhanger and the Beirgarten. I also think they should move the exit ramp so you exit to the east and then go south and have the exit ramp parallel to the entrance and redo the current exit line so it goes slightly further west then turns south and turn that into a single rider line and also put some lockers in

6. Wicked: I think they should extend the line into the area behind the sign and have it wind back and forth a couple times and also have the line slope so there wouldn't be as many stairs on the front side of the bridge. I don't think there's enough room to have it slope on the back side of the bridge. I also think they could redo the exit so it doesn't interfere with the single rider line and move the lockers to outside the line and also have the single rider line slope up so they can eliminate the stairs. 

7. Fire Dragon: I think they could have the line slope on both sides of the bridge to eliminate the stairs and also extend the line north of the current line entrance. I also think they should move the exit so you exit to the north then turn east and turn the current exit into a single rider line. 

8. Music Express: I think they should move the next group into the holding area as soon as they start the ride more often and also put single riders together. I also think they could have the line wind back and forth a couple more times. 

9. Sky Ride south station: I think they could have the line wind back and forth about 5 times between the south restrooms and the ride entrance. north station: I'm not really sure what they could do right now in its current location. 

10. Flying Aces: I think they could move the ride entrance to the east side and have the line start just north of the current ride entrance and wind back and forth about 3 times and put single riders together. 

11. Rocket: I think they could add a single rider line for both rockets in the empty space between Re entry and the entrance to the line for Re entry and  on the west side of Blast off. 

12. Samurai: I think they could add a single rider line on the west side of the ride and also put some lockers in somewhere. 

13. Screamer: I think the line's fine for now but I do think they should install some lockers. 

14. Cannibal: I think they should move the single rider line to the east side and have it start just south of the lockers and turn the current single rider line into the line for the front car and have the other line be for the back car. I also think they should redo the ramp so it goes the full length of the ride. 

15. Sky Scraper: I think they should install a single rider line to the south of the current lines or turn one of them into a single rider line. 

16. Paratrooper: I think they could extend the line around to the north side and have it wind back and forth a couple times there. I also think they should redo the loading station and have a double loading station and also put single riders together as often as they can. 

17. Boomerang: I think they should move the control panel further north and extend the line into the empty space between the line and the ride. 

18. Tilt-A-Whirl: I think they could extend the line around to the south side and have it wind back and forth a couple times there and also put people together as much as possible. 

19. Scrambler: I think they could have the line wind back and forth a couple more times and also put people together. 

20. Dracula's Castle: I think they should extend the line to the south and have it go north and south instead of east and west and also have it be a double line so there can be 2 loading stations with a separate line for each one and also put people together. 

21. Terroride: I think they could move the Beavertails to somewhere else and put another line there and have a double loading station with a separate line for each and also put people together. 

22. Rock O Plane: I think they should have both the entrance and exit lines wind back and forth a couple times so they're not as steep. I also think they could sometimes put people together. For example: if there's a person in line with 2 kids that both require a bigger person to ride with them and they don't have another person to ride with them they could have them wait until there's a single rider and have one of their kids go with them. 

23. Wild Kingdom Train: I think they should remove both exits and have the line wind back and forth a couple times where the south exit is currently. I also think they could move the building to the west  so it's directly under the Sky Ride. I also think they could move the track near the station slightly to the west and have it where people can line up near the section they want before the train comes back and also have  the exit on the other side of the train  so the next group can enter as the one group is leaving. 

24. Tidal Wave: I think they should extend the line and have it wind back and forth a couple times between the main part of the line and the ride entrance so it's not as steep. 

25. Turn of the Century: I think they should turn the line so it goes parallel to the ride instead of perpendicular and also have it slope so they can get rid of the stairs. 

26. Rattlesnake Rapids: I think they should have the line slope down as soon as it crosses the bridge and put a single rider line to the left of the current line. I also think they should put a fence between the entrance and exit lines and also put some lockers near the line entrance. 

27. Log Flume: I think they should redo the line so there is a separate line for each log and also put a single rider line in and also add some lockers. 

28. Puff The Little Fire Dragon: I don't think there's much room to extend the line but I think they could pair single riders up more like 2 kids or a kid and a bigger person. 

29. Dragonfly: I think they should move the line to the southwest corner of the ride and move the controls to the south side. 

30. Kontiki: I think they could switch the entrance and exit lines and turn the current entrance line for Dragonfly into the entrance line for Kontiki and have it wind 1 more time. 

31. Ladybug Bop: I think they should add an extension to the line to the north of the current line and also extend the line slightly west. 

32. Dinosaur Drop: I think they could switch the entrance and exit and have the entrance go between the Moonraker and the Dinosaur Drop. 

33. Bombora: I think they should move the lockers to the north side of the ride and also turn the end of the exit so it goes to the east instead of to the west and also have the line start where the lockers are currently and have it wind back and forth a couple times. I also think they could have the line slope so there would be fewer stairs and have the the line split near where the bottom of the stairs currently is and have a single rider line on the left side. 

34. Bat: I think they could add a single rider line on the north side. 

35. Jumping Dragon: I think they should switch the entrance and exit and have the entrance line go through the dragon on the north side and also pair people up. 

36. Red Rock Rally: I think they could have the line wind back and forth a couple times to the south of the entrance and also pair people up whenever possible like 2 kids or a kid and a bigger person. 

37. Flying Tigers: I think they should extend the line around to the front and also fill the ride up more like if the next person in line is a bigger person and at least one of the planes has the back seat empty I think they should let them on. 

38. Ruka Safari: I think the line is fine as it is but I think they should fill up the ride better like I suggested for Flying Tigers and also put an umbrella over the ride for when it's really hot or when it rains. 

39. Tipsey Tea Cups I think they could extend the line further around the ride and also put small group together and put single riders with a group that has room. 

40. Oddysea: I think they could extend the line further around the line and also put riders together more often and maybe add some lockers. 

41. Air Race:  I think they should redo the line so it winds back and forth 3 times. 

42. Jet Star: I think they should move the lockers to the south side of the ride and put a single rider line where the lockers currently are.
Oi vey! So, what I hear you saying is that you want Lagoon to look like a sterile Amusment Park along the lines of Six Flags and Cedar Fair Parks with dirty and endless switchbacks? You and others may think that's a great idea, but nothing is more fun that spending an indeterminate amount of mind numbing time weaving in and out of switchbacks and then having garbage juice spilled on your foot when one of their garbage peeps change out a full garbage can next to you in the switch back. It's also awkward when at Disneyland, there is a custodial person coming through the switchbacks with bags of garbage from the garbage cans. Then you see the station platforms in Disneyland and Knott's littered with trash.

I used to think switchbacks and large queues were a great thing, but as I got older, I began to see how sterile, dirty, and problematic they can be. While Cannibal's Queue can be quite long, and having to walk through a crowd to access the new north restrooms can be slightly annoying, it definitely has it's benefits. How many people do you see enjoying a Honolulu Hot Dog or Drinks in the Queue? Where does that trash go for those waiting in a long queue? In a Midway Trash Can. Lagoon generally doesn't permit food and drink in their short queue lines. You don't see a ton of food and drink trash in the queues or on the ride platforms. I would rather have people on the Midway with access to food, drinks, and restrooms than a trashy, dirty, graffiti filled queue of switchbacks and dirty ride platforms.

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Honestly they just need to add in Temp line ride queues, I would say that most of the time they don't need them... Up until August last year I didn't really see any need for them... once Middle of August hit it was like everyone realized that lagoon was there and they where busy enough to need the extra line queue spacing.
It would be nice to see them add those removable line post they have at Disney land, but I don't see that happening... if they put the new entrance to the park where we all believe on the north side they are going to need to address line queue for both Cannibal and Screamer, but at the same time it will open up the old entrance to do something else and make that area really nice too!
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(12-29-2018, 02:19 PM)linearinduction Wrote: Hogle Zoo is a Member of the AZA. They do not accept animals from facilities that are not an AZA Member and do not participate in their illegal trade of wild and exotic animals known as their "Species Survival Plan." Hogle Zoo is also an extremely bitter organization when it comes to Lagoon. Not just any facility can care for White Tigers, Siberian Tigers, Cougars, Black Leopards, Binturongs, ect.
Thank you for letting me know, although I still would like to see much larger spaces for the animals. But in your replies, could you please try to sound a bit less rude?
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(12-26-2018, 02:23 AM)DragonTamer Wrote: On the handstamps, I've had the same thought, but my understanding is that there are a significant fraction of people who enter the park via Group Sales (corporate events, etc. that rent out pavilions) who DON'T have rides included in their entrance.  Hence the check is still required.  (Sid, correct me if that's changed since I heard last.)

I've thought that it's time for the handstamps to go as well.  I've never been to any other amusement park that has required any sort of "proof of purchase" once you were actually inside the park (the closest thing I've seen is, as some others have mentioned, a stamp for when you leave the park - for example, if you were going out to your vehicle for something - that would let you back in on the same day during business hours).

I know that there used to be a free entrance (or "walk-around" option, as some, including Lagoon, have called it) - you get to get in for free, but didn't get to go on any of the rides - in the LDS Stake Lagoon Day coupons years ago (my own stake seems to have been one of the last holdouts in still doing that, but even they haven't done it the past couple of years, and even then the "free walk-around" option had been discontinued a couple of years before that).

Interestingly, checking with the various groups sales options on Lagoon's website, of the four options (Corporate parties, School days, Family events, and Group discounts), two of those (Corporate parties and Group discounts) specifically indicate that they're fully operational tickets that are good for rides, LAB, PV, and the shows.  The FAQ page also specifically says that Lagoon doesn't sell a entrance-only pass.

Now, is it possible that there's still some sort of walk-about option with group sales?  I don't know.  Never having seen those specific packets myself, I cannot attest as to what they do or do not contain outside of what information Lagoon is providing on their website.  Those who he recently dealt with any of those options could comment far better than I could as to their full content.  If the walk-about option is still around in some form through one or more of those options, then yes, I can see how the handstamps still make sense.  If not, then there's little reason to continue using handstamps.
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(12-26-2018, 01:14 PM)Spy Hunter Wrote: If u are allergic to the ink of the stamp u can always do a bracelet.   Grin
Some of us actually are allergic to the ink. People lying about it just for kicks and giggles to get a Wristband to feel cool doesn't help anyone.

(12-29-2018, 03:23 PM)DaSpanishPotato Wrote: Thank you for letting me know, although I still would like to see much larger spaces for the animals. But in your replies, could you please try to sound a bit less rude?
I'm always happy to share! I think no matter what I say or how I say it, you are always going to be offended. lol

(12-29-2018, 04:16 PM)Gregory Wrote: I've thought that it's time for the handstamps to go as well.  I've never been to any other amusement park that has required any sort of "proof of purchase" once you were actually inside the park (the closest thing I've seen is, as some others have mentioned, a stamp for when you leave the park - for example, if you were going out to your vehicle for something - that would let you back in on the same day during business hours).

I know that there used to be a free entrance (or "walk-around" option, as some, including Lagoon, have called it) - you get to get in for free, but didn't get to go on any of the rides - in the LDS Stake Lagoon Day coupons years ago (my own stake seems to have been one of the last holdouts in still doing that, but even they haven't done it the past couple of years, and even then the "free walk-around" option had been discontinued a couple of years before that).

Interestingly, checking with the various groups sales options on Lagoon's website, of the four options (Corporate parties, School days, Family events, and Group discounts), two of those (Corporate parties and Group discounts) specifically indicate that they're fully operational tickets that are good for rides, LAB, PV, and the shows.  The FAQ page also specifically says that Lagoon doesn't sell a entrance-only pass.

Now, is it possible that there's still some sort of walk-about option with group sales?  I don't know.  Never having seen those specific packets myself, I cannot attest as to what they do or do not contain outside of what information Lagoon is providing on their website.  Those who he recently dealt with any of those options could comment far better than I could as to their full content.  If the walk-about option is still around in some form through one or more of those options, then yes, I can see how the handstamps still make sense.  If not, then there's little reason to continue using handstamps.
Waldameer Park requires a Stamp AND a Wristband for their Unlimited Rides Pass. The Disneyland Resort has done away with re entry stamps, which used to make traveling from one park to another hassle free. Now, you have to wait in long lines just to re enter and have your ticket scanned again.

Lagoon does not "Sell" an Entrance Only Pass. They still do offer it in Group Sales, as I understand it. Lagoon's Handstamps permit the most flexibility in their admission and group sales. That's good for the bottom line and keeps me happy.

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(12-29-2018, 02:19 PM)linearinduction Wrote: Hogle Zoo is a Member of the AZA. They do not accept animals from facilities that are not an AZA Member and do not participate in their illegal trade of wild and exotic animals known as their "Species Survival Plan." Hogle Zoo is also an extremely bitter organization when it comes to Lagoon. I can safely say that you have absolutely no clue as to what goes into the care and housing of Lagoon's animals. Not just any facility can care for White Tigers, Siberian Tigers, Cougars, Black Leopards, Binturongs, etc.Oi vey! So, what I hear you saying is that you want Lagoon to look like a sterile Amusment Park along the lines of Six Flags and Cedar Fair Parks with dirty and endless switchbacks? You and others may think that's a great idea, but nothing is more fun that spending an indeterminate amount of mind numbing time weaving in and out of switchbacks and then having garbage juice spilled on your foot when one of their garbage peeps change out a full garbage can next to you in the switch back. It's also awkward when at Disneyland, there is a custodial person coming through the switchbacks with bags of garbage from the garbage cans. Then you see the station platforms in Disneyland and Knott's littered with trash.

I used to think switchbacks and large queues were a great thing, but as I got older, I began to see how sterile, dirty, and problematic they can be. While Cannibal's Queue can be quite long, and having to walk through a crowd to access the new north restrooms can be slightly annoying, it definitely has it's benefits. How many people do you see enjoying a Honolulu Hot Dog or Drinks in the Queue? Where does that trash go for those waiting in a long queue? In a Midway Trash Can. Lagoon generally doesn't permit food and drink in their short queue lines. You don't see a ton of food and drink trash in the queues or on the ride platforms. I would rather have people on the Midway with access to food, drinks, and restrooms than a trashy, dirty, graffiti filled queue of switchbacks and dirty ride platforms.

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Win Very good points indeed. For most days Lagoon's queues are completely adequate. One of the things I love most about Lagoon is that it's different from everyone else. I do however hope that if Primordial turns out to be what we're expecting that it will at least have a themed queue in part of the mountain.
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(12-29-2018, 02:19 PM)linearinduction Wrote: I can safely say that you have absolutely no clue as to what goes into the care and housing of Lagoon's animals.
If you just wouldn’t have said that, I wouldn’t have been offended.
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(12-29-2018, 02:57 PM)DeLorean Wrote: Honestly they just need to add in Temp line ride queues, I would say that most of the time they don't need them... Up until August last year I didn't really see any need for them... once Middle of August hit it was like everyone realized that lagoon was there and they where busy enough to need the extra line queue spacing.
It would be nice to see them add those removable line post they have at Disney land, but I don't see that happening... if they put the new entrance to the park where we all believe on the north side they are going to need to address line queue for both Cannibal and Screamer, but at the same time it will open up the old entrance to do something else and make that area really nice too!

The reason why we don't have removable queue line at Lagoon is because of our climate.
Even parks that have removable queue line in Southern California have the issue of the holes in the ground always get bigger because water gets down into them and it bust the concrete around the hole so the pole ends up just sitting sideways.
Only reason why it works for Disney is because they have a crew that goes through the park twice a week checking each and every one of them. Just to keep a removable Queue maintained it cost a lot of money. Lagoon has it figured out because until you try to steam clean a Queue line you won't understand the pain of long queue lines.
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(12-30-2018, 11:21 AM)DaSpanishPotato Wrote: If you just wouldn’t have said that, I wouldn’t have been offended.
Rather than getting offended, give us some background on the experience you've had caring for such animals that informs your views to refute his point. Unless of course you don't have any, in which case he was right on the money. linearinduction, myself, and a few others around here have that experience first-hand. Empirical evidence, facts, my dear boy! That's the ticket.

(12-30-2018, 12:27 PM)CPrider Wrote: The reason why we don't have removable queue line at Lagoon is because of our climate...Lagoon has it figured out because until you try to steam clean a Queue line you won't understand the pain of long queue lines.
Mmm, frost heave! Ahh, the steam cleaner. Don't miss that beast. Got to steam clean terraces one winter... that was fun. And don't forget gum. That s--... crap... even sucks to get off in the sandblasting booth. Darn near cut through a couple of fences trying to get gum out from underneath the top rail one time.
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(12-29-2018, 02:19 PM)linearinduction Wrote: Hogle Zoo is a Member of the AZA. They do not accept animals from facilities that are not an AZA Member and do not participate in their illegal trade of wild and exotic animals known as their "Species Survival Plan." Hogle Zoo is also an extremely bitter organization when it comes to Lagoon. I can safely say that you have absolutely no clue as to what goes into the care and housing of Lagoon's animals. Not just any facility can care for White Tigers, Siberian Tigers, Cougars, Black Leopards, Binturongs, etc.Oi vey! So, what I hear you saying is that you want Lagoon to look like a sterile Amusment Park along the lines of Six Flags and Cedar Fair Parks with dirty and endless switchbacks? You and others may think that's a great idea, but nothing is more fun that spending an indeterminate amount of mind numbing time weaving in and out of switchbacks and then having garbage juice spilled on your foot when one of their garbage peeps change out a full garbage can next to you in the switch back. It's also awkward when at Disneyland, there is a custodial person coming through the switchbacks with bags of garbage from the garbage cans. Then you see the station platforms in Disneyland and Knott's littered with trash.

I used to think switchbacks and large queues were a great thing, but as I got older, I began to see how sterile, dirty, and problematic they can be. While Cannibal's Queue can be quite long, and having to walk through a crowd to access the new north restrooms can be slightly annoying, it definitely has it's benefits. How many people do you see enjoying a Honolulu Hot Dog or Drinks in the Queue? Where does that trash go for those waiting in a long queue? In a Midway Trash Can. Lagoon generally doesn't permit food and drink in their short queue lines. You don't see a ton of food and drink trash in the queues or on the ride platforms. I would rather have people on the Midway with access to food, drinks, and restrooms than a trashy, dirty, graffiti filled queue of switchbacks and dirty ride platforms.

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(12-30-2018, 12:27 PM)CPrider Wrote: The reason why we don't have removable queue line at Lagoon is because of our climate.
Even parks that have removable queue line in Southern California have the issue of the holes in the ground always get bigger because water gets down into them and it bust the concrete around the hole so the pole ends up just sitting sideways.
Only reason why it works for Disney is because they have a crew that goes through the park twice a week checking each and every one of them. Just to keep a removable Queue maintained it cost a lot of money. Lagoon has it figured out because until you try to steam clean a Queue line you won't understand the pain of long queue lines.
Not all of Lagoons rides do not need a large queue line ans most are adequate. I dont want large switch backs. Spider is a good example of having a good long queue line that is "themed" yet can handle a crowd well. That is what I want to see. Having a queue line that can be expanded to accodmdate larger crowds. Cannibals queue ramp is inadequete in my opinion. I dont want it to have a bland ugly switchbacks but there is the space by the ride that could have a Mayan temple themed queue that could hold more people. The line going to the Honolulu Dogs is ok but when it reaches near sky ride that is ridiculous. The more Lagoon grows which with their custom coaster creations they need to have better line management. Ive used the steam cleaner and know how much it sucks to clean with. Not every ride needs a large queue and most of the large rides have decent queues but it is my opinion that Cannibals is not adequete.
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